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Second Cycle: Test / Tren Weekly Log

Tren does that. Kills cardio and endurance. I read a log from Wiseguy on the forum who said he ran gw cardarine with his tren cycle and it greatly helped his cardio and kept lipids good. Just a thought.
Appreciate the info, and suggestion. Any idea of a source? I know nothing about Cardarine.
 
You went from 252-265 how fast case when you pack on muscle in a shot period of time your cardiovascular system has to catch up.

Because your larger and if in short period of time that happens.

Don’t listen to my advice. Find a smart member cause I’m viewing it from when I was growing to fast and had trouble running of a bunch of steps at work and I was hunched over.

But I don’t like given subjective advice. I feel better when I objectively know it as a fact and don’t want to be wrong in giving bad advice.

That's good common sense, I'm 13 pounds up in 3-4 weeks, and even if 70% is fat and water, that could still be 3-4 pounds of extra muscle demanding more oxygen and nutrients all of a sudden.
 
Appreciate the info, and suggestion. Any idea of a source? I know nothing about Cardarine.

I think Azteca and psl carry it as well.

Here was his log on it:
 
3/25/2024 - Week 5 of 12 complete

Cycle (weekly doses)

Test-Cyp 600mg
Tren-Eth 300mg
Cialis 5mg/day
Arimidex 1.0mg/week (0.5 - 2x/week)

Stats (first number start, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)

Age: 55
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 266.5 lbs (weekly average)
BP: 125/85 --> 150/92 (danger zone)
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 29.75"
Chest: 53.75" --> 55.00"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.50"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.50"
L Thigh top: 27.50" --> 28.75"
R Thigh top: 28.00" --> 29.00"
L Thigh mid: 24.50" --> 26.25"
R Thigh mid: 25.00" --> 27.25"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 40.00"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 39.25"

Summary
: Strange week. Strength is off the chart. It takes me 2-3 sets just to figure out what is heavy now, and I'm moving weight I haven't moved in 20 years. An example, I'm stacking the wide-grip pull down machine, and then stacking 80lbs of dumbbells on the stack for a total of 340lbs, and still getting a strict 10-12 reps for 6 sets, and then doing wide-grip pull-ups for 8-10 reps for 6 sets - easy. What is odd is that muscle measurements have barely moved from last week, just a little increase in chest, and a little increase in thighs, but fat levels have noticeably come down. I lost a solid inch on my waist (where I carry most fat), while having a net increase of 1.5 pounds from the previous week. So, I have to believe the reason most muscle measurements have held steady is I traded fat (or water) for muscle. There is no other explanation given a 1.5" increase in weight, with an accompanying decrease in waist measurements. Another good sign, I don't fit into any of my t-shirts now. They look ridiculous across the chest and arms, and yesterday I split both arm seams on a t-shirt I was wearing 🤣 That's odd considering the arm measurements aren't really moving, but they look a lot fuller and thicker overall 🤷‍♂️

Side effects: Blood pressure is up again and too high. Sleep is a complete disaster, so I've resorted to Ambian, which solves the problem, but it's another harsh drug in my system which I'd prefer not to take. Xanax is no longer strong enough, so I'll be using Ambian for the rest of the cycle (as needed). I've been getting pressure headaches, which I ascribe to high blood pressure, but I don't know what I can do about either problem except ride it out. I'm having even more anxiety and a general feeling of constant frustration, and I snap very easily. I can only describe it as a feeling of needing "something" very badly, but don't know what it is, and I'm really pissed off I can't get it. Then, when the slightest irritation comes along, something I normally wouldn't notice, I lose my shit and take it out on that person and/or thing. I'm still handling it (barely) by cutting myself off quickly and walking away, but it's definitely a mental strain and taking a lot of discipline.

Definitely not the break-out week I was hoping for, but if slow-and-steady wins the race, I guess I'm doing okay.
 
3/25/2024 - Week 5 of 12 complete

Cycle (weekly doses)

Test-Cyp 600mg
Tren-Eth 300mg
Cialis 5mg/day
Arimidex 1.0mg/week (0.5 - 2x/week)

Stats (first number start, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)

Age: 55
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 266.5 lbs (weekly average)
BP: 125/85 --> 150/92 (danger zone)
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 29.75"
Chest: 53.75" --> 55.00"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.50"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.50"
L Thigh top: 27.50" --> 28.75"
R Thigh top: 28.00" --> 29.00"
L Thigh mid: 24.50" --> 26.25"
R Thigh mid: 25.00" --> 27.25"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 40.00"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 39.25"

Summary
: Strange week. Strength is off the chart. It takes me 2-3 sets just to figure out what is heavy now, and I'm moving weight I haven't moved in 20 years. An example, I'm stacking the wide-grip pull down machine, and then stacking 80lbs of dumbbells on the stack for a total of 340lbs, and still getting a strict 10-12 reps for 6 sets, and then doing wide-grip pull-ups for 8-10 reps for 6 sets - easy. What is odd is that muscle measurements have barely moved from last week, just a little increase in chest, and a little increase in thighs, but fat levels have noticeably come down. I lost a solid inch on my waist (where I carry most fat), while having a net increase of 1.5 pounds from the previous week. So, I have to believe the reason most muscle measurements have held steady is I traded fat (or water) for muscle. There is no other explanation given a 1.5" increase in weight, with an accompanying decrease in waist measurements. Another good sign, I don't fit into any of my t-shirts now. They look ridiculous across the chest and arms, and yesterday I split both arm seams on a t-shirt I was wearing 🤣 That's odd considering the arm measurements aren't really moving, but they look a lot fuller and thicker overall 🤷‍♂️

Side effects: Blood pressure is up again and too high. Sleep is a complete disaster, so I've resorted to Ambian, which solves the problem, but it's another harsh drug in my system which I'd prefer not to take. Xanax is no longer strong enough, so I'll be using Ambian for the rest of the cycle (as needed). I've been getting pressure headaches, which I ascribe to high blood pressure, but I don't know what I can do about either problem except ride it out. I'm having even more anxiety and a general feeling of constant frustration, and I snap very easily. I can only describe it as a feeling of needing "something" very badly, but don't know what it is, and I'm really pissed off I can't get it. Then, when the slightest irritation comes along, something I normally wouldn't notice, I lose my shit and take it out on that person and/or thing. I'm still handling it (barely) by cutting myself off quickly and walking away, but it's definitely a mental strain and taking a lot of discipline.

Definitely not the break-out week I was hoping for, but if slow-and-steady wins the race, I guess I'm doing okay.
1.5 lbs (water likely) gain. In exchange for 10 points increase in BP (140,not ideal. To 150/92, definetly not ideal)

Don't just "ride it out" lower your doses... Or completely remove that tren... At 55 and that bp, you not even halfway through that cycle... It's going to get worse.
 
1.5 lbs (water likely) gain. In exchange for 10 points increase in BP (140,not ideal. To 150/92, definetly not ideal)

Don't just "ride it out" lower your doses... Or completely remove that tren... At 55 and that bp, you not even halfway through that cycle... It's going to get worse.
Right,I f I see 140 I'm ready to drop everything..
 
1.5 lbs (water likely) gain. In exchange for 10 points increase in BP (140,not ideal. To 150/92, definetly not ideal)

Don't just "ride it out" lower your doses... Or completely remove that tren... At 55 and that bp, you not even halfway through that cycle... It's going to get worse.

I appreciate the feedback, and not just saying that, I really do. I didn't respond right away because I wanted to try something first. However, before I get to that, the 1.5lbs gain last week being water is highly unlikely. Possible, but all the signs point to the reverse. I'm more vascular, I am losing inches around my waist, my face is noticeably less puffy, and my joints are notably less stiff. So water weight is highly unlikely.

Regardless, I wanted to try something first before commenting back; fixing my sleep. I have had sleep issues before, and issues with high BP, but it is tied 100% to nervousness, anxiety, anger issues, and nothing to do with blood chemistry or diet. Fixing BP in the past (for me) has always been simply a matter of relaxing, getting good sleep, and controlling anger and stress. So, that got me wondering what if the ONLY real side effect of Tren (at least for me) is the insomnia, and the headaches, anxiety, and anger is a result of simply not sleeping. Following that logic, the high BP is the result of the sleep deprivation. On that line of reasoning, I started Xanax daily, and Ambien nightly, beginning last Sunday night (after my last post). It's now Friday and I can report without a doubt, it was the sleep deprivation. I'm still full dose Tren and Test, and the headaches are gone, anxiety is gone, anger is very manageable, and BP is 135/85 (average over 5 days). Still a bit high, but well within safety.

This is a very interesting result (to me). I see posts all the time about people having 4-6 harsh side-effects from Tren, and insomnia is usually one of them, as it was for me. However, if you look at many of the other side-effects, they could be caused by the insomnia itself. In other words, insomnia is the primary effect, the others are secondary. Fix the insomnia, you fix the others. Whether that works for others, I don't know, but I'm back on track. I hate using two more chemicals, Xanax and Ambian, but shit-gottta-get-done.

Next update Sunday 3/31, and it should be a good one, shit is coming together.
 
3/31/2024 - Week 6 of 12 complete

Cycle (weekly doses)

Test-Cyp 600mg
Tren-Eth 300mg
Cialis 5mg/day
removed (Arimidex 1.0mg/week)

Stats (first number start, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)

Age: 55
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 263 lbs (weekly average)
BP: 125/85 --> 138/85 (high, but back to safe zone)
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 29.875"
Chest: 53.75" --> 55.25"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.50"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.50"
L Thigh top: 27.50" --> 28.50"
R Thigh top: 28.00" --> 28.75"
L Thigh mid: 24.50" --> 26.50"
R Thigh mid: 25.00" --> 27.50"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 39.75"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 39.00"

Summary
: Even stranger week than last. Strength is WAY off the chart. Compound lifts (e.g. dips and dbell press) are 20%-30% higher than a month ago, isolation movements (e.g. flys, curls, leg lifts) are 40%-50% higher than a month ago. But the really strange part, I have a very noticeable loss in fat this week (lost 3.5 pounds), but with an increase in chest, shoulder, and mid-thigh measurements, while waist and upper thighs (where I carry fat) are smaller. No clue why, I'm eating like a horse, 3,000-4,000 calories a day, but since I'm obviously still gaining muscle, I'm not complaining! Arms still stubbornly refuse to grow, but that's always been my sticking point. Even in my 20s, on heavy gear, they never passed 19", but that is a goal for this cycle, to finally break 19".

Side effects: Tren cough has finally shown up. It's not horrible, but it's definitely there and mildly annoying. Sleep would be a disaster, and so would anxiety and anger issues, but I have resorted to a daily Xanax and a nightly Ambian. With the combination of those, sleep is good, BP is back in a reasonable zone, and anger issues are still there but manageable. I have also been getting nasty stress headaches, which I've never had, so I'm attributing it to the Tren. I can definitely feel the systemic stress on my whole system now, but still within my tolerance (I think).

Overall, still the same story, just slow and steady gains. In my opinion, it's been nothing dramatic and a little disappointing for all the stress and strain, but after 6 weeks (and 6 to go), people are starting to notice. I'm starting to get the uncomfortable comments like, "hey, you doing steroids... ha ha, just kidding." You know that's what we all want to hear, right before we say, "Who me? No way, all natty baby!" 🤣

Hey, if testosterone is natural... wouldn't more testosterone just make me more natural? 💪😁
 
4/07/2024 - Week 7 of 12 complete

Cycle (weekly doses)

Test-Cyp 600mg
Tren-Eth 300mg
Cialis 5mg/day

Stats (first number start, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)

Age: 55
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 263 lbs (weekly average)
BP: 125/85 --> 139/83 (little high, but safe)
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 29.875"
Chest: 53.75" --> 55.25"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.50"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.50"
L Thigh top: 27.50" --> 28.50"
R Thigh top: 28.00" --> 28.75"
L Thigh mid: 24.50" --> 26.50"
R Thigh mid: 25.00" --> 27.50"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 39.75"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 39.00"

Summary
: Got massively derailed this week, and the numbers show it. Literally, no change in anything. I got food poisoning on Wednesday (bad cheese) which lasted 48 hours, and I couldn't eat anything, while at the same time, I was throwing up and shitting my brains out for 2 days 🫤 I managed to get all my lifting done, but with 25% of the week with no food, it shows. Oh well. I still have 5 weeks to go, so have to keep at it and roll with the punches.

Side effects: Tren cough has diminished a lot, and is very mild. Sleep and attitude is good (with the help of Xanax and Ambian). Stress headaches still there but manageable. BP still in check.

Worthless week, but keeping to the plan.
 
Get Shredded!
Starting Test/Tren Cycle: This is my second cycle after Test/Deca six months ago (Aug 26, 2023 through Nov 11, 2023). Posting progress here both for a weekly record, and keeping track publicly helps keep me accountable and my head in the game. Any helpful advice/commentary appreciated. Will post before/after pics at the end.

Personal Background: Always athletic, lifting and training martial arts since 14-years-old (55 now), always in great shape until late 40s. Did gear in my 20s, but haven't touched it in almost 30 years. Around 48, started slowing down. By 52, 50lbs overweight, 29% bf. Decided that was enough of that nonsense, so I spent two years losing weight, getting back in top shape, and back into martial arts full-time. Went from a high of 279lbs (29% bf) to 232lbs (18% bf). At 54 did my first cycle in almost 30 years (Test/Deca). Added 12 pounds of lean mass in 11 weeks, and lost another 1.5% bf (post cycle detailed here, including before and after pics). Took 14 weeks off (cruised with test/deca 200mg/60mg). Blood work done 2 weeks ago, all good, and ready for round two.

Cycle: Test-Cyp 600mg and Tren-Eth 150mg per week, planned for 12 weeks. Also low-dose Deca 75mg/week, Cialis 5mg/day, Arimidex .5mg/week.

Beginning Stats 2/19/2024
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs
Shoulder width: 28.75"
Chest: 53.75"
L Bicep: 18.25"
R Bicep: 18.125"
L Thigh: 27.50"
R Thigh: 28.00"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" (wear 36" pants)
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25"
Body Fat: 17.2% (measured by DEXA scan)
Diet: 3,200 calories/day (300p, 275c, 100f)

And away we go...
keep us updated
 
4/14/2024 - Week 8 of 12 complete

Cycle (weekly doses)

Test-Cyp 600mg
Tren-Eth 300mg
Cialis 5mg/day

Stats (first number start, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)

Age: 55
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 268 lbs (weekly average)
BP: 125/85 --> 140/85
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 30.00"
Chest: 53.75" --> 55.50"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.75"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.75"
L Thigh top: 27.50" --> 28.75"
R Thigh top: 28.00" --> 29.25"
L Thigh mid: 24.50" --> 27.00"
R Thigh mid: 25.00" --> 28.00"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 40.25"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 39.50"

Summary
: Big come-back week after last week's food poisoning mishap. Everything is up, and I'm strong as fuck. I'm hitting post-40 PRs in every lift by 30-40%. In fact, getting so strong, my limiting factor is only my tendons. No clue what I could be pushing/pulling if they weren't screaming in defiance. My weekly average weight is 268, but on Sunday I hit a solid 270. A little fat gained this week, but nothing compared to the overall muscle gained, and fat is easily dropped when cutting post-cycle. Now that I'm 4 weeks out from finishing the cycle (and may stop sooner), I think my goal will be to diet back down to 255. That's only 3 pounds heavier than I started this cycle, but will be a net 10-15lbs more muscle / less fat (easily).

Side effects: Tren cough has disappeared. Sleep and attitude is still okay (not great) with the help of Xanax and Ambian. Stress headaches are still there but manageable. BP is a little higher this week, but still in-check (depending on your definition of "in-check"). Endurance is still complete shit, but I'm counting on fixing that post cycle. One new thing this week, I'm having severe bouts of overwhelming sadness and depression mood swings. I'm not generally prone to that, so I have to attribute it to the sheer volume of chemicals and hormones blowing through my brain. Tren is a roller-coaster ride of WTF. I am sure I'll never do it again, but assuming I'm still alive in 5 weeks to tell the tale, it sure is interesting.
 
4/21/2024 - Week 9 of 12 complete

Cycle (weekly doses)

Test-Cyp 600mg
Tren-Eth 300mg
Cialis 5mg/day

Stats (first number start of cycle, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)

Age: 55
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 269 lbs (weekly average)
BP: 125/85 --> 140/90
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 30.25"
Chest: 53.75" --> 55.50"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.75"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.75"
L Thigh top: 27.50" --> 28.75"
R Thigh top: 28.00" --> 29.25"
L Thigh mid: 24.50" --> 27.25"
R Thigh mid: 25.00" --> 28.00"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 40.50"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 39.75"

Summary
: Not much movement this week, but that was expected. Everything is fuller and seems to be still filling out, but not much movement on the tape measure or scale. Gave blood this week so got some numbers. Surprisingly, the hematocrit test showed "reasonable" red blood cell count. It was 17 (range: 12.5-20), which is lower than my usual 19 on TRT (which is of course why I give blood). Cholesterol was much too high, which is expected from Tren, but still scary. It was 241 (range 0-199). BP tested at home and at the donation center, both came in at 140/90, which is right on the line for real danger.

Will see how this coming week goes, but with high cholesterol, high BP, tendons screaming in pain, and the decent gains so far, I might call it done this coming weekend, and the cycle early and move to cutting. So three options after this coming week:
  1. Complete the final two weeks as planned.
  2. Reduce dosages to half dosages, and then slowly reduce to normal TRT over the last two weeks, and immediately move to cutting.
  3. Cut dosages to normal TRT at the end of this week, and immediately move to cutting.
Either way, I'll be in cut until June 7th. Opinions?

Side effects: No Tren cough. Xanax and Ambian are doing the work to keep me sleeping and out of jail. Cholesterol is much too high. BP is on the line of dangerous. Endurance is nonexistent.
 
Never did it before. I did not know about ace versus enan when I bought it so it is what it is now. I eased into it last week, with very low test doses, seems okay. I will say that this week, on full dose, I seem to be a little more aggressive than usual, but given my personality it's difficult to tell.
Whoa... Stop right there! If you don't even know the difference between the two then you absolutely have no business touching that shit. I'm an older guy, older than you even and I am telling you stay the fuck away from TREN.

LOFL... Sorry, bro I got a little nutty there. I just read your entire post!!! Please use caution.
 
Whoa... Stop right there! If you don't even know the difference between the two then you absolutely have no business touching that shit. I'm an older guy, older than you even and I am telling you stay the fuck away from TREN.

LOFL... Sorry, bro I got a little nutty there. I just read your entire post!!! Please use caution.

Ten weeks in is a little late to "Stop right there!" 🤣 It's all good (sort of). Alive and semi-well, and looking to wrap this up. I'm estimating I got about 10 solid pounds of muscle added in 10 weeks (so far), which is okay (especially at 55 and as an advanced lifter). So, if my estimate is correct, and I cut 20 pounds over the next 2 months, and I'll be bigger and leaner than ever. At 55, it's all a crap shoot, and all I can do is work hard and see how it comes out.
 
4/28/2024 - Week 10 of 12 complete (ending early and beginning cut cycle)

Cycle (weekly doses)

Test-Cyp 600mg
Tren-Eth 300mg
Cialis 5mg/day

Stats (first number start of cycle, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)

Age: 55
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 272 lbs (weekly average)
BP: 125/85 --> 140/90
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 30.25"
Chest: 53.75" --> 55.50"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.75"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.75"
L Thigh top: 27.50" --> 29.00"
R Thigh top: 28.00" --> 29.50"
L Thigh mid: 24.50" --> 27.50"
R Thigh mid: 25.00" --> 28.00"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 40.50"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 39.75"

Summary: Still filling out and gained a little more weight, and still growing in the legs, but I'm at my limit for the weight I can carry. I'm solidly over 270, and my knees, ankles, and hips are past their functional limit. So, I'm going to start ramping down dosages, and start cutting. The first dose this week will be full, then I'll start tapering off for the second dose, and over the next two weeks, until I'm at TRT levels again. I'm immediately cutting calories to a high-protein (250g), low calorie (1,400) calorie cut diet. After winding down the Test / Tren over two weeks, and back to TRT levels, I'll start 30-days of Clenbuterol and keep cutting until June 10th.

Overall, not the success I hoped for, but everyone says my expectations were delusional 🤣 and I did awesome (especially for 55). I gained 20 pounds overall, with relatively little fat and water gained. It's too early to tell, but from my waist measurements and how lean the rest of me stayed, I'm guessing 12 pounds muscle gained, with 8 pounds water/fat, over 10 weeks. I will now cut until June 10th, and then come back here to post final numbers and before/after pics.
 
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